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"Deviant members must be eliminated" is a bit too strong, isn't it? I trust that your intention is different, but the rhetoric is identical with that of those who advocate genocides, eugenics, honor killings, that sort of thing. As Zygmunt Bauman observes, the desire to clean up society by eliminating those who don't fit is the emotional root of every totalitarianism. Whether rationalized in terms of party, nation or faith. It renders the muddle of democracy impossible. I, for one, would not want to go there.
Oh! Sorry John! But I recall "the text in context!" I think you forgot to quote “from the memberships”. I cannot even think of genocide or any sort of violence! So sad! I am not telling about those who are speaking in against or for in the subject matters, but for those who violet the rules of OAC. A farmer eliminates the invading plants or weeds from his farm that does not mean he applies same rule in his society. By the way, how do you define these two terms: deviant and eliminate?
John McCreery said:"Deviant members must be eliminated" is a bit too strong, isn't it? I trust that your intention is different, but the rhetoric is identical with that of those who advocate genocides, eugenics, honor killings, that sort of thing. As Zygmunt Bauman observes, the desire to clean up society by eliminating those who don't fit is the emotional root of every totalitarianism. Whether rationalized in terms of party, nation or faith. It renders the muddle of democracy impossible. I, for one, would not want to go there.
I am not at all in favor of endless forgiveness for rule-violators.Thus, I favor something along the lines of due process based on a three strikes and you're out rule. First offense gets a warning. Second offense gets a warning plus notice that a third offense will result in removal from the community. Third offense results in removal. No additional notice is required.
That said, "deviant" is too easily read "pervert" and "eliminate" too easily read as "kill" in my idiolect of English. The terms imply levels of prejudice and violence that don't seem warranted in this sort of community.
Ranjan Lekhy said:Oh! Sorry John! But I recall "the text in context!" I think you forgot to quote “from the memberships”. I cannot even think of genocide or any sort of violence! So sad! I am not telling about those who are speaking in against or for in the subject matters, but for those who violet the rules of OAC. A farmer eliminates the invading plants or weeds from his farm that does not mean he applies same rule in his society. By the way, how do you define these two terms: deviant and eliminate?
John McCreery said:"Deviant members must be eliminated" is a bit too strong, isn't it? I trust that your intention is different, but the rhetoric is identical with that of those who advocate genocides, eugenics, honor killings, that sort of thing. As Zygmunt Bauman observes, the desire to clean up society by eliminating those who don't fit is the emotional root of every totalitarianism. Whether rationalized in terms of party, nation or faith. It renders the muddle of democracy impossible. I, for one, would not want to go there.
Great John, in my culture and in my understanding too, forgiveness is the great virtue. As you have said, we have also a long process to tag someone whether s/he is deviant or not. I am from traditional society. I have seen that not only three steps, but the subject is given chance to improve oneself many times.
Certainly, English is not my mother tongue, so obviously, you know better than me. In my dictionary, I am using 'Sahni Advanced Dictionary Eng-Eng-Hindi' where the meanings of eliminate are given: remove, take away, set aside, get rid of. And for deviant: differing from norm or from accepted moral or social substandards.
I was just supporting the rules which are given under ABOUT tab.
Amen
John McCreery said:I am not at all in favor of endless forgiveness for rule-violators.Thus, I favor something along the lines of due process based on a three strikes and you're out rule. First offense gets a warning. Second offense gets a warning plus notice that a third offense will result in removal from the community. Third offense results in removal. No additional notice is required.
That said, "deviant" is too easily read "pervert" and "eliminate" too easily read as "kill" in my idiolect of English. The terms imply levels of prejudice and violence that don't seem warranted in this sort of community.
Ranjan Lekhy said:Oh! Sorry John! But I recall "the text in context!" I think you forgot to quote “from the memberships”. I cannot even think of genocide or any sort of violence! So sad! I am not telling about those who are speaking in against or for in the subject matters, but for those who violet the rules of OAC. A farmer eliminates the invading plants or weeds from his farm that does not mean he applies same rule in his society. By the way, how do you define these two terms: deviant and eliminate?
John McCreery said:"Deviant members must be eliminated" is a bit too strong, isn't it? I trust that your intention is different, but the rhetoric is identical with that of those who advocate genocides, eugenics, honor killings, that sort of thing. As Zygmunt Bauman observes, the desire to clean up society by eliminating those who don't fit is the emotional root of every totalitarianism. Whether rationalized in terms of party, nation or faith. It renders the muddle of democracy impossible. I, for one, would not want to go there.
Hello,
I do have the same problem I don't really who that jenifer was I have been seeing some of her email to me but when or whenever I give it a click it doesn't work at all.
Thanks
Ahmed
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